Martin Higgs 57 London Road Loughton Milton Keynes MK5 8AF Hi Keith, Well I hope the discs finally got there. My images were all rendered with Vivid 2 registered versions. They are all 640x480 gifs except menger1.gif and menger2.gif which are 1040x768. They are all original, and were done over the last year. The fire/wire boxes and the split menger sponges are the most recent. Laurens's gifs are all 1024x768 and were rendered in PoV (L-system gifs) or z-buffer rendered with his own software. The L-system images were created with Lauren's L-parser, the models in the show_nn.gifs were created with Autocad 12. Enjoy and pass on :) Martin.........